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Chipfo
Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:40 pm
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In another discussion I mention that my father is making a potato barrel this year. There were a few people interested so I decided to open a thread on the subject.

The idea is take a 55 gallon white plastic barrel with a couple of holes drilled in the bottom, put in about 6 inches of peat moss, plant a SEED potato cut into quarters, so it will 4 pieces of potato, as the plants grow you add more peat moss until it nears the top of the barrel, then stop adding peat moss and just let the plants grow. At the end of the growing season you dump out the barrel and have a whole barrel full of potatoes.

I am going to post pictures of the barrel now, and as the plants grow and addition of peat, etc. etc. I will be adding progressive pictures to this post as well, at the bottom of the post, just scroll down to see them.

For people wanting to follow along and do the same thing you will need a plastic 55 gallon barrel, plenty of peat moss or bedding soil, and A seed potato, it doesn't have to be a seed potato, they are just better to use because they are guaranteed disease free and seem to grow better than store bought potatoes.

Call your local nurserys and ask for seed potatoes.

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Frequently asked Questions

I am getting some of the same questions, so I am posting this here to try and help. Like I have said, this is an experiment with Pops, we will try to answer any questions, but we are playing it as it goes so please bear with us.

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Q: If someone didn't actually need 55 gallons of potatoes... Do you
have any sense of how small a container would be viable?


A: You don't need a 55 gallon drum, you can use a plastic or metal
trash can, just be sure it is clean so not to introduce harmful
bacteria or fungus to the crop. You can use bleach and soap to clean
an old one, be sure to rinse well. And drill holes in the bottom for drainage.

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Q: If I can't get a seed potato can I use a regular one and how do I
cut it?


A: You can use a regular potato, the seed potatoes are guaranteed
disease free and grow quicker as far as I know. You need to cut the
eyes out leaving at least a 1 inch cube of flesh around and beneath the eye.

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Q: Do I have to use peat moss?


A: No, you can use bedding soil, which is a lot cheaper than potting
soil, ask your nursery where to get it. If you use just peat moss,
you will need to feed it regularly, Pops is going to use Miracle Grow.


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Q: I just wanted to ask if & how much you water this, especially when
the soil gets to the top.


A: Yes you will need to water this, how much will greatly depend on
how hot it gets outside, the humidity in the air, etc. There is no way
for me to say how often to water, you want to keep it damp without
drying out, so it is very important to use a substrate that is very
well draining, so when the barrel starts getting full the water will
seep all the way down through the soil.


Chef1MOM added - "Just another note, if using only soil it will compact and perhaps
choke out the new growth. Peat moss is a great addition to the soil
and cost little. This will help to aerate the soil and allow for the
water to get to the roots. Another idea is to add in perlite.
( inexpensive- you do not need a lot) This holds water and releases it
as needed, reducing the amount of watering needed. When container
gardening and specifically in plastic water evaporates much quicker as
the plastic/rubber heats up quicker than the ground does. "

3KillerBs wrote - If some people are concerned about getting water to the bottom I'll bet the old trick of drilling holes at various places
in a PVC pipe and standing that in the center would work very well for
this setup.

Chipfo - That is a good idea about the plastic pipe with holes drilled in
various places, for anyone concerned about the soil staying evenly
damp might want to try this, just be sure and put it in at the
beginning, you don't want to have to try and stab it through toward
the end, it will fill with soil plus you will ruin a bunch of
potatoes.

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Q: If the seed potato quarters are planted all the way down the bottom
(where else? duh), won't the sprouts be deprived of sunlight or is
that make it etiolate (grow leggy) so to get more stem length.


A: About the sunlight question he said it won't hurt the plants, they
may even grow up faster, like you said, to get to the sun. Pops said
that when the barrel is full, the full plants on top are the ones going to
need the most sun anyway, to grow all those potatoes!

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Q: a) I'll put 6 inches of peat moss in the bottom and plant potatoes,
but how much dirt to cover the potato pieces?
b) Do I have to do anything to the potato pieces before planting?
c) How do I feed if using only peat moss?


A: a) Pops said 6 inches is good and to put 2 inches on top of the
potato pieces. So, press the potato pieces flush with the surface and
add 2 more inches of peat moss on top.


b) No, just be sure to really water them good after planting, to get
all the peat moss wet, peat moss is really dry straight out of the bag. He
flooded his barrel the first time.


c) Pops is going to use Miracle Grow, he is going to use the low
formulation designed for watering plants with every time according to
package instructions, it uses the small scoop. He said he will use a
gallon of that each time he waters plus straight water for any
additional moisture needed.

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Q: As they grow and I put more dirt/moss in the pail - do I cover the
entire plant again & let it grow up through the dirt again or am I
just putting the dirt around it as it grows?


A: Pops said you do not cover the plants up completely, (only when
initially planting do you cover the potatoes) You will wait for them to grow up where as you can add soil/peat and still leave 4 to 6 inches of
plant above the surface, also he said you want to remove any leaves
that might be covered in the process.

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Q: I have a concern about removing the leaves before covering with more soil. Won't that increase their vulnerability to insects or encourage disease?

A: Pops said - You want to remove the leaves because if you don't, as they break down into the soil it can produce an acidic soil which is not good for the plants growth, leave the stem, just remove the leaf. It will scab over quickly, no need to worry about insects or disease, plants lose leaves naturally all the time.

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Progressive Pictures of Pops' Barrel...


The start of the barrel

Plants sprouting

Plants growing, bottom leafs trimmed and Peat moss added.


Last edited by Chipfo on Thu May 22, 2008 11:23 pm, edited 5 times in total
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3KillerBs
Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:07 pm
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I will be interested in following your thread.

I have piles of the grass with a lot of dirt on the roots that I've stripped off my expanded garden and was planning on growing potatoes in the piles that way -- adding a little more each week as the potatoes grew.

I'm just using whatever is sprouting in my kitchen at the right time because anything that comes out is a bonus for me -- the grass and potatoes would just sit there gently composting otherwise -- but I've seen many varieties of seed potatoes in my local farm supply store. So anyone who is looking for a source of proper seed potatoes might try their farm supply place.

Good luck with your barrel. I've heard of people getting tremendous yields that way.
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realbirdlady
Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:40 am
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Sounds interesting!

So, just hypothetically, if someone didn't actually need 55 gallons of potatoes... Do you have any sense of how small a container would be viable? I'm imagining a five-gallon pail would work, anything smaller?

We've been brainstorming this the past couple of days, kinda starting from the opposite direction. Could we make a bog garden in a container? Then we figured instead of just having something ornamental, we should plant some edible tubers. (I know one can make bog gardens in containers, but the extra factor here is that it is very arid, we're trying to figure if it's practical to keep a small container at a reasonable moisture.)


Potato Growing is apparently a competitive sport in the UK.
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3KillerBs
Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:56 pm
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realbirdlady wrote:
Sounds interesting!

So, just hypothetically, if someone didn't actually need 55 gallons of potatoes... Do you have any sense of how small a container would be viable? I'm imagining a five-gallon pail would work, anything smaller?

We've been brainstorming this the past couple of days, kinda starting from the opposite direction. Could we make a bog garden in a container? Then we figured instead of just having something ornamental, we should plant some edible tubers. (I know one can make bog gardens in containers, but the extra factor here is that it is very arid, we're trying to figure if it's practical to keep a small container at a reasonable moisture.)


Potato Growing is apparently a competitive sport in the UK.


LOL!

People will compete at just about ANYTHING!

I don't know if a 5 gallon bucket would be big enough or not.

But I've grown enough accidental potatoes in my compost that I'm interesting in trying to do it on purpose.

Perhaps an 18" circle of chicken wire would be a good compromise? I've gotten potatoes out of composting leaves in bins 3 feet across and 4 feet tall.

Or a gardener who wanted to try the experiment but didn't need all the potatoes might donate the excess to a food pantry program, a battered women's shelter, a feed the homeless kitchen, or some such charity. icon_smile.gif
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Judy-Jude
Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:53 pm
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Thank you so much for sharing the information. I hope that I am able to do this in the spring, should be lots of fun. icon_biggrin.gif
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Chipfo
Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:48 pm
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I am going to take a picture of the barrel tomorrow and will post small pictures here so not to take too much room and post the link to my photobucket acount for the bigger pics.

realbirdlady, my father said you sould use a smaller container, he suggested going to a nursury and look at there pots, he said 5 gallons may be a litle small for this.

3KillerBs, donating extra potatoes is a good idea.

Judy-Jude, if you are wanting to do this, start looking for seed potatoes, around here they run out quick, my father is not sure if they have anymore here, but I am TX so....You may still be able to find them easily where you are.
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Peter Bergerson
Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:39 am
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Because potatoes are propagated vegetatively (cloned), any potato will produce true to variety, so there's no need to be concerned if the variety is a hybrid. The primary reason for wanting seed potates is that those sold as "seed" are certified as being true to variety and free of diseases that can ruin a crop and contaminate your soil. Also, while a supermarket potato will often work, they are sometimes treated with growth inhibitors that prevent sprouting to make them keep longer in the store. A treated potato will not work because they will either not sprout at all or will produce a weak or mutated plant that can't produce tubers.

I think a 55 gal. drum might be too tall It might make better sense to cut it in half to make two potato barrels.
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NoraMarie
Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:18 am
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Peter Bergerson wrote:
Because potatoes are propagated vegetatively (cloned), any potato will produce true to variety, so there's no need to be concerned if the variety is a hybrid. The primary reason for wanting seed potates is that those sold as "seed" are certified as being true to variety and free of diseases that can ruin a crop and contaminate your soil. Also, while a supermarket potato will often work, they are sometimes treated with growth inhibitors that prevent sprouting to make them keep longer in the store. A treated potato will not work because they will either not sprout at all or will produce a weak or mutated plant that can't produce tubers.

I think a 55 gal. drum might be too tall It might make better sense to cut it in half to make two potato barrels.


I have a 1/2 barrel and I think I will try it this year.Thanks Chipfo
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Chef1MOM~Connie
Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:56 pm
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How nifty! I also have heard of people using old tires stacked on top of the other as they increase the compost with the growth.
For those wondering if a 5 gal would work, how about a clean 30 gallon garbage can? they come in plastic, are inexpensive, and easily available.
I am saving this page for reference and plan to watch the sales for garbage cans. I really want to try this idea this year!

note to self- potatoe can!

Thanks
Connie
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Chipfo
Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:16 pm
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Chef1Mom, I can't believe you just said that, I was going to recomend garbage can for those who didn't have a 55 gallon drum. PLUS I was also going to say the I just heard today of people using old tires and stacking them higher as the dirt was added, that is so funny.

Anyway, here is how my Father's barrel looks as of today.



He also told me that if using only peat moss, the plants will have to be fed, peat moss has no nutritional value, so, you might want to use bedding soil if you do not intend on regular feedings.

Bedding soil can be found at nursury's or lanscape companies, it is cheaper than pottong soil.
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NoraMarie
Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:55 pm
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Thats great about the bedding soil,hubby has 6 bags in the back of his truck for weight for the winter.Gonna try it.
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Chef1MOM~Connie
Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:03 pm
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Chipfo wrote:
Chef1Mom, I can't believe you just said that, I was going to recomend garbage can for those who didn't have a 55 gallon drum. PLUS I was also going to say the I just heard today of people using old tires and stacking them higher as the dirt was added, that is so funny.

Anyway, here is how my Father's barrel looks as of today.



He also told me that if using only peat moss, the plants will have to be fed, peat moss has no nutritional value, so, you might want to use bedding soil if you do not intend on regular feedings.

Bedding soil can be found at nursury's or lanscape companies, it is cheaper than pottong soil.



aaaaaahhhhhhh Great Gardening Minds think alike. However, I will not take full credit, Zaar has given me so many ideas, and a left headed turn pointed me in the direction of the plastic garbage pail I iuse for compost pile. LOL (It is not a large one but the idea came from it. I may try a 20 gal garbage pail or 2. Easier for me to handle)
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Pneuma
Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:01 pm
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awesome idea! Too bad I don't know the difference between peat moss or what kind of soil to use, the best time/season to plant potatoes. And sometimes I have these potato buds sprouting from old potatoes on the counter and I don't know when to use it, if we should just cut the bud and plant it, or if it has to be air dried first...so in the end we just throw them away.
I'm saving this out of curiosity and for the detailed pics. icon_smile.gif
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Chipfo
Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:10 pm
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Pneuma wrote:
awesome idea! Too bad I don't know the difference between peat moss or what kind of soil to use, the best time/season to plant potatoes. And sometimes I have these potato buds sprouting from old potatoes on the counter and I don't know when to use it, if we should just cut the bud and plant it, or if it has to be air dried first...so in the end we just throw them away.
I'm saving this out of curiosity and for the detailed pics. icon_smile.gif


You can use your sprouting potatoes, do not let them dry and cut the potato into about 1 inch squares with the bud on it. You can use bedding soil for this, from your local nursery.

Our potatoes havent started growing yet, so I haven't any more pictures to show.

ETA - The thing about using regular potatoes rather than seed potatoes is that they are not certified disease free and may take longer to grow.
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Dot1234
Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:05 pm
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Hi, I'm new to posting but have been reading all the great tips for a while.
This sounds like a great idea. I've already ordered potato seeds & bought a 30 gal trash can! I'm going to use soil.
I just wanted to ask if & how much you water this, especially when the soil gets to the top.
Looking forward to your pictures.
Thanks,
Dorothy
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